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Things going over what is that Jack? Hey, something just in here look blue

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I saw this huge saucer-shaped vehicle

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I've never seen anything like that before it wasn't blinking or nothing. It's just like a ball of light

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Whoa, it's got three triangular lights

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Extremely quiet it's definitely not an airplane or helicopter. I don't know what that was

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For decades UFO witnesses were laughed at they're just told but they can't talk about it

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We don't want to hear about it. Maybe you're a little crazy if you even saw it

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No, whatever that is that's huge

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But we're at a place right now where we are beginning to realize how strange it is and how little we really understand

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Imagine if it was acknowledged

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Officially the UFOs exist that would be a big paradigm shift

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You

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Intelligence agencies have six months to release all the information they have on UFOs

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It's part of a 2.3 trillion dollar bill signed back in December the report needs to contain analysis of any UFO data as well as name any

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Possible security threats that they pose

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Thousands of newly declassified documents on UFOs from the CIA

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Now accessible on the internet and you can thank a UFO

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Enthusiast for that massive dump of docs now known as black vault

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With the passing of this bill a lot of people think this is it

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This is when the government the military is going to come out and reveal the truth behind what these UFOs or UAP are

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seem like they were aware of our presence because they would

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actively move around us

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We know that there was a UFO research program

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We know they enlisted

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Scientists people that could look at this information whether it be witness testimony photographs or film reels

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There is so much to dig into

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What we've been doing is simply looking for flying objects that are where they're not supposed to be

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But on the one in a million chance that it really is ET we kind of want to know that too I

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Think the media's attention to the UFO topic

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Absolutely fueled than the public's response for demanding answers for demanding action and to encourage

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Senators like Marco Rubio to say hey this phenomena is real you should investigate it

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Tell them it's a threat tell them that it's encroaching on military installations all of a sudden you've got that Senate committee on

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Intelligence pretty darn interested on what intelligence can be gathered and they're 100% on board trying to get to it

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December of 2017 the New York Times really put the

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Reality of what they called a UFO research program out there into the cosmos and people ate this up

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That was one of the biggest stories if not the biggest story that the New York Times digital edition ever happened

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I've been writing for many years about

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large mysteries that really intrigue me but are not usually covered by

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journalists

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It's not easy to get the New York Times to cover a subject that's not fully documented

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Particularly if it's an issue like this

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Where politicians although they may be interested they're afraid to deal with it

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Recent report by the New York Times unveiled the existence of a real-life X-Files department

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It's a five-year secret government program to investigate mysterious flying objects the Pentagon now confirms the existence of a secret of

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UFO program tasked with investigating reports of

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Unidentified flying objects tens of millions of dollars for the project were pushed through by former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

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The New York Times says Reid acknowledged to them that he and two other senators did not want public debate on the Senate floor over this program

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Really UFOs Pentagon unit tried to know

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Pretty amazing

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The Department of Defense had a program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat

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Identification Program, and we all call it ATIP, which is the acronym

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They had had this program since 2007

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Whose purpose was to study UFOs?

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The funding was not made public so nobody knew about it. This is the first time it was on the record

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What instigated the whole thing was the fact the director of the program resigned in October two months before the story came out I

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Was fortunate enough to have a meeting with him

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Literally the day he resigned or the day after and he wrote a powerful letter

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To the Secretary of Defense James Mattis at the time

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Explaining why he was leaving

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Which had to do with the fact that there were not enough resources

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Provided for what he considered to be a national security issue

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Do you believe that that life from somewhere else while you ran this program came here visited observed

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There is very compelling evidence that we we may not be alone

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Whatever that means

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After our story came out there started to be briefings for various committees in Washington

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The New York Times has a huge impact it opens the door for things to happen

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And I wondered if the president will show his degree of transparency on this issue

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I'm not aware of any plans the president has to

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I would be interested in knowing if there's some other people

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UFOs any UFOs did you ask about that? I'm certainly asked about it and can't tell you

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Sorry, okay. All right. I'll take that as a yes

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Because of the renown you say there was none right feel feel free to think that I do I

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Remember when I woke up the day it came out. It was a bombshell, right? That's what it was

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I'm a research professor and I researched the connections between technology and religious belief among other things

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That article just electrified the whole environment of the study

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I got phone calls from Harvard. I got phone calls from Princeton from academics everywhere. What is that?

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These are things that academics don't want to touch

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We had scientists who studied the phenomena anonymously to keep their careers intact frankly

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It's almost like the invisible college

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Back in the 1500s the invisible college was a word for the scientists

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Like Francis Bacon who were kind of making headway, but the church would kill them if they knew what they were doing, right?

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People who study the phenomena won't talk to each other about it. They just won't and so I thought what is that?

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And I thought you know, it's really like fight club that movie from the 1990s with Brad Pitt and Edward Morton

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You've got this guy who starts this cult movement, right?

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And they don't talk about it first rule fight club. Don't talk about fight club

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And with UFO events I found it again and again and again and again

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So there's no longer an invisible college is a fight club

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I think it's important for people to understand that most sightings of what people call UFOs can be explained

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I mean if you have people out at night and they see something weird in the sky and they might report it

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Well, the authorities can find out was there a weather balloon in the sky that day at that location?

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Only a small percentage of sightings can't be explained

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We need to do proper investigations. I think it's irresponsible. It's dangerous to just ignore it

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It's really disrespectful to the witnesses

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The best example of this is the phoenix lights case

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It is very rare for thousands of people to call and report seeing the same lights in the same spot at the same time

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Unlike a lot of the cases that we take very seriously. This one was about people

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Massive numbers of people

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UFO watchers are calling it a dramatic event

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Oh, you got a few hearts

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Aliens first thing I thought it scared the heck out of me. It was a UFO

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We saw five lights in a row. It looked like some kind of

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It was a big picture

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Geometric drawing it was because of the football field at least as I was coming up the hill

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I didn't know what it was. You heard nothing. What do you think it is? I think it was a spaceship of some sort

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There's a lot of mystery behind us

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And a lot of unanswered questions that no one wants to talk about. What is it? Can you see it?

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We're still talking about it because of the after effects that the people who experienced it are still having

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Turned to my wife and said, you know, I'm gonna go take my car

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And I'm gonna go drive to school peak to see if I can see what all the hullabaloo is about

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There were a whole bunch of people in the park and everybody's sort of looking for the lights

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Then somebody said holy cow. Look at that. And so I turned around and this great big

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Out of the northwest and headed down into the southeast valley

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They're lined up in in a pattern man. There's geometry behind this

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It was really eerie. It had embedded lights

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I always refer to it as otherworldly

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I'd never seen anything like it

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I didn't hear it not being able to hear it. Yeah, it was eerie. It was eerie to me

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That something in the air moving at that size

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And then did it just disappear like it was gone lights flicker and people saw him two some minutes later. Yeah, like so that's how it's

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Some believe the lights were flares. Some believe they were a secret military aircraft and others believe they were spaceships

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City councilwoman frances. Emma barwood is the only city official to look for answers

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I had assumed that this event was already being investigated and I was told that nobody would touch it

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I have a hard time letting things drop that aren't finished. I always want answers

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I was going to the city council meeting

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May 6th of 1997

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I was stopped by a reporter

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And she asked me if I knew about this object that flew over phoenix on march 13th

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And she said could you ask at the council meeting?

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When it came my turn for council requests, I told them about the reporter

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And could we find out whatever this object was kind of curious, especially since people are starting to ask them a question

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Everybody turned around looked at me and it was like

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You have thousands of other people who stood up and said they've seen it

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The story was out there

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Are we alone?

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The buzz is very big in the desert southwest where it's really never gone away after some weird happenings in the skies over phoenix recently

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Phoenix councilwoman frances emma bar which says she now gets stacks of mail from across the country detailing similar sightings

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There's no doubt in my mind that they saw something really phenomenal

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Why isn't anybody else curious?

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I mean, why am I the only elected official that

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Wanted to find out about it

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Strange dots of light that were the talk of the town a mass statewide

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UFO sighting as a result of the kind of uproar that occurred it was sort of like all the citizens suddenly woke up

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And so there was all this pressure on governor five simington to do something

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Today in a very surprising move governor simonton said he was going to do something to find out what was going on

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You're a governor your highest duties to the citizens who elected you to office

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And to protect them. There's some danger and demand answers

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Many of our citizens have been very disturbed by this

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In response, I suggested that it was time to end months of speculation on the question

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And investigate the matter once and for all to clear it up

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But if the authorities don't know what it is they should say and if they do know they are accountable to the public and they better cough up an answer

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We made serious inquiries asking the air force. What what did you find and we never got a satisfactory explanation

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Interesting one was the warthogs the a10s that they said

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The national guard says it was conducting flare exercises outside phoenix that night

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Our a10 thunderbolts that are right behind me work on a night illumination exercise

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I mean i'm a pilot. I knew they weren't flares flares don't do what those lights were doing

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Plus the problem with that was the timing

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The air force said that the a10s were out there at about 10 o'clock

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But the lights were at around 8 30 or something what took place here was far different than what the air national guard says took place

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This happened over a period of hours all over the state

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So the official response was completely bogus

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But a governor has no power over the air force or luke air force base to do anything more

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Than ask a lot of questions

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That's all you all you could do, you know, sometimes very difficult dealing with the federal government

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Senator john mccain was asked about this

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People would write him letters and call his office

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Why don't they come clean and say we don't know or we do know that's all we want to know

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Did you talk to senator mccain?

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mccain is very open to it being uh

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So i asked the air force what what did you find?

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And they said they didn't find anything so

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There have been reports that several aircraft took off from luke air force base in hot pursuit with afterburner

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Almost flew over me and as soon as the jets got

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To the object this thing like shot straight up and vanished right in front of my eyes and that's

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That was really what put me over the edge there when I when I saw that

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It's hard to believe that something can be in our airspace that the government is not aware of

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No matter what level it is in the air force

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The government is supposed to be in charge

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But in time for the record it's uh friday the 14th of march 97. I'm talking with a gentleman

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Which is calling from phoenix. Okay, sir. Go ahead

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South albrook was basically

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The jets that were taken off from luke air force base

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You don't scramble jets just from somebody calling in to the police station

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And they weren't flares

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They encountered something over the sky over phoenix arizona

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They don't know what it was

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One of the pilots stated that they had a visual on it. They've got sun cameras on them. They have no radar tape on it

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It's scared the hell out of them

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I've never seen this man scared

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Those two pilots get out of their aircraft and they're shaken because their gun ready camera was filming something they've never saw before

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He saw five distinct lights in a triangular pattern

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He doesn't know if it was one aircraft or several aircraft

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You used your cat. I'm not sure what it was

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They landed the basis. So you had a complete lockdown the facility was closed

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With ufo's nothing is ever black and white

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There's always mud in the water. I'm trying to figure out some of these stories

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There's half a century of secrecy relating to this and so I started researching the united states government connection

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To what ufo's were

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Unflying saucers do you yourself believe that they exist?

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Well, I'm positive they exist the weight of the evidence that makes it impossible to arrive at any other conclusion

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It started way back in 1947

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There were ufo fleets that were being seen above the skies of washington

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People were scared

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Tonight we go after a fantastic story

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The story that flying saucers from other worlds are visiting our planet

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There were so many sightings and the air force just didn't know what to do about it

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Air force interest in this problem

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has been due to our feeling of an obligation to

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identify

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Analyze to the best of our ability anything in the air

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That may have the possibility of threat or menace to the united states

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There was this aim to

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Truly investigate ufo's there have been reports

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That have been made by credible observers of relatively incredible things

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The air force office of special investigation created a project rudge

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Project sign and then later project blue book in 1952 to investigate and ultimately explain them

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Project blue book was set up with a public office where citizens could contribute reports of sightings

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So you had all these witnesses

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I looked up into my right. I saw a large ball of fire

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the object very

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rapid rate of speed

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You have people experiencing something that they don't quite understand

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These experiences impact these people

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Impacts the way that they

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live their lives

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Lots and lots and lots of people a lot of very you know intelligent and successful people believe and see ufo's

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Researchers in contact with some of the people still today decide to look at the effects

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What if thousands of people saw it, you know, what kind of effects would they have?

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What would that do to our culture?

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UFO for want of a better word this phenomenon becomes somehow a new form of religiosity

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It created two believers

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It was 1 40 a.m. Deputy Sheriff Val Johnson was on patrol in rural Marshall County

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When suddenly he saw a bright light a few feet above ground level two miles down the road

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I traveled about a mile

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And the light seemed to intercept me so to speak

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Came came right upon me. It was painful. The light was extremely brilliant and painful. I closed my eyes and I

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Heard the sound of breaking glass and that's the last I remember

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Johnson was unconscious for 40 minutes before he radioed for help and was taken to the hospital

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A doctor and later an eye specialist confirmed that Johnson had suffered mild welder or flash burns to his eyes

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Even stranger both Johnson's wristwatch and the electric clock in his patrol car had mysteriously stopped for 14 minutes

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It's truly unexplainable to me or uh unknown to me

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UFO sightings blew up in a way that no one truly expected

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Going back to the space race of the 60s the astronauts that were going up for the first time

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They were seeing stuff that they just couldn't explain

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It didn't stop in the 1960s either

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Today there are many nasa videos that have these mysterious and unknown objects

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There are a growing number of cases that don't have a logical explanation

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And from the beginning the government had to squash it

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In the early 1950s the cia was starting to see that there was a much bigger

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national security implication behind what ufo's were

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Whether or not they were alien at this point really was irrelevant

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They knew that the excitement that the general public had that in itself could create a risk

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The group of scientists put together by the cia analyzed all of the ufo data

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That the united states air force collected and they said are we looking at a phenomena that's real?

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Is this something that we should worry about and what should we do about it?

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The committee concluded that in the 19 years since the first ufo was cited

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There has been no evidence that unidentified flying objects are threat to our national security

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Project blue book which lasted all the way through 1969

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Was not to investigate anything. It was rather to explain it

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To say look you guys think you don't understand this but we do. We're the all-powerful government. We're the all-powerful cia

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We can explain this

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Some of the explanations they gave were so ludicrous

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That it was essentially like ridicule I cannot prove in a court of law

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That marsh gas is the full explanation of these sightings

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But it does appear to me extremely likely you're saying dr. That michigan is now producing non-existent saucers

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Well, it's uh one way of putting that I suppose it just became part of the cultural way of dealing with this unfortunately

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The National Guard says it was conducting flare exercises outside phoenix that night

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You were considered to be crazy

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Just for reporting something that was actually happening

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It was completely irrational

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Tales of aliens have been our first conspiracy tales

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They were our first way of questioning whether the government

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Was in fact lying to us in a mass scale

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Not just the ross wealth story, which is obviously the most famous one

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But you have a number of other incidents like that in the 1950s

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Just as the cold war is starting we start to see more an increasing prevalence

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Not just of UFO narratives but of spy narratives of the sense that the government is acting with duplicity

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This is absolutely untrue. We are not hiding anything. We have nothing to hide

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The rise of lack of faith

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In the government to tell us the truth

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Coincides with the expansion of mass media in a way where we're suddenly receiving our information about the world

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through

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The television through the radio one thing is clear

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You could not keep a spaceship a secret too many journalists could not be restrained from trumpeting one of the greatest news stories of all time

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And so whatever authority the mainstream that has long denied the existence of these beings had

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Slowly began to slip away

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Eventually that authority breaks down completely with the internet. I got it. Oh my gosh. Oh

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What the hell I think that we are as a people

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willing to believe

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almost anything

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Conspiracy theories or myth can take hold using the possibility of UFOs existing

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As a way of doubting almost everything in our culture

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The fact that our government is now slowly doling out information

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Concerning potential evidence of alien existence. I think only feeds into those narratives

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The united airlines employees who swear up with something otherworldly in the skies above

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Chicago's O'Hare airport on November 7th, but neither the f a a nor indeed their own employer appears to be taking them seriously

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The O'Hare incident is a really important case

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Our number one story in the countdown unidentified flying objects from outer space

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The story broke in the Chicago Tribune in january. So it was about two months later

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Chicago Tribune interviewing several people anonymously including maintenance workers

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Little baggage handlers and pilots who each and all described a dark gray saucer-like object that hovered low over concourse

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Before shooting off into the sky

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Most UFO sightings are fairly quick

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Something flies by right this was at least five minutes in the middle of the afternoon rush hour in the daylight

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Pilots on the ground in their planes who were just taxiing in or out

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Were looking leaning out looking at it. There was a lot of radio chatter about it

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We got traffic here about 1 32 o'clock because it's very bright. There's been some movement just changing colors. I don't think it's a start

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It looks like it's about eight or ten miles away

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One of the managers from united airlines called the tower

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And said do you see that there's this disc shape objects up there and it's a very interesting conversation

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It starts soon

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He says no, I don't see it and if I did I wouldn't report it anyway

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Chris

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The woman who called up called a second time and she had to explain I'm not high. I haven't been drinking

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There's this disc shape object. It's actually there

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But that conversation is

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Very interesting because it shows the attitude of this

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I mean this was a safety hazard

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Yeah, look out your window

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They actually believe it or not they called us and said there's lying disc about a thousand feet above k charlie 17

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You see anything over there? Not that I can tell. Oh, we thought a half hour ago

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Who saw it?

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Really? Yes, who's this?

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The explanation that was provided by the faa first they said it was a

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Weather phenomenon by a weather phenomenon. They were probably referring to what's called a hole punch cloud

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And this is a picture of a hole punch cloud ice crystals that fall from one cloud

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To a cloud below like a cloud bank below and then they melt a hole in the ice

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I mean it's an absurd notion to think

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that

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These aviation people would look up at something like that and think that was a metallic disc covering over the airport

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you know

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The pilots from united airlines the employees they were

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Clear that they were not supposed to talk about this

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Literally not one witness to this event would put their names on the record not one

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The faa is still pinning this to some kind of weather phenomenon that some lights from the airport of the overcast skies somehow got together

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and created this image, but

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Weather experts astronomy experts others that i've talked to said that that's uh, that's bonk

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Somebody has an obligation within the government if it's not the faa. It's got to be someone else

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To deal with that to protect the the aircraft that are around it to find out what it is

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It seems to me that the likelyest conclusion here is that the aliens have landed many years ago in this kind in this country

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In this world with one goal in mind to create conspiracy theories and then just sit back and enjoy them

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The acronym UFO has come to be a real loaded term

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Unidentified flying object

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That's all it means

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The question do you believe in UFOs?

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Really doesn't make any sense. There's no issue of belief there

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The question is maybe what do you believe they are?

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But whether they exist is not even a matter of belief. It's a fact

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I

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On the record the eras international guard who would know about military exercises and stuff says it has no explanation at all

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for those lights

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It doesn't look like anything that i've seen. Yeah, i haven't seen anything either not picking anything up in the weather center either

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You say the craft was moving very slowly and without any sound at all

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The people that saw that believe what they saw was an alien spacecraft

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Now governor simington himself has launched an official investigation the video that i saw a quick glimpse of was intriguing

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Um, so i'm gonna order a full, you know investigation of this through dps

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We're gonna make all the necessary inquiries and we're gonna get to the bottom of we're gonna find out if it was a ufo

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You

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Know one of the things that you notice about media is they have some favorite foods

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One of those is sex scandal and another one is ufo's

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We had phone calls coming in from all over the world

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It was huge across and they were bright light. It was just so bright

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I uh saw five bright luminous objects and a straight line heading south

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We realized we weren't really going to be able to satisfy people's

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longings for answers

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We didn't really hold adequate means of investigating it

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As a state government apparatus

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But you decided to launch your own investigation

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Yeah, we had so many people that we sat with and talked to

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They all described exactly the same thing

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About how many people wasn't

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That i talked to and well i talked it was around 700, you know total she interviewed 700 people that

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That sounds like an overwhelming task. Did you remember her investigating it?

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No, i'm not sure how she would have the wherewithal

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Interview 700 people or what of any real value you would

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You would glean from that. That's probably what he would have to say. What else is he gonna say?

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Is he gonna say? Oh, yeah, I should have looked into it. No, he didn't he really couldn't step up

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Probably he feels bad that she did and it was taking a grief

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The ridicule started almost immediately. This cartoon was published by the arizona republic

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They saw how much ridicule I got maybe that's why they didn't want to do that

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And so therefore

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The best thing to do is to put it to bed

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And how do you put things to bed?

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You ridicule anybody that's involved so you try to kill the story

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That's what happened to so-called phoenix lights

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That's right now the governor is holding a press conference at this very moment in fact at the state capital

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Apportedly he says that the dps has already turned up startling new information about this case

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The governor had called an emergency

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news conference

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The only time you do an emergency news conference is when it's a threat to life health and all that stuff

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But you did launch your department of public safety investigation

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Yes, definitely. Yeah, yeah, it would be great to talk about that press conference

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You know you'd have to remind me I've

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been so long ago

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You have the advantage of having the record in front of you. I don't I just remember kind of the highlights and

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the impetus for

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the

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The what I call the alien caper and we can play it to jog your memory. Sure

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I

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Issued a call for an investigation by the Arizona Department of Public Safety

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And I'm happy to report we already are getting results

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Let me just say that I believe in a serious offense for anyone human space alien or otherwise

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To engage in mysterious activity in our nighttime skies

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I thought oh good. He's gonna investigate

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We may all look upon the guilty party

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Don't get him too close to me please

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You know

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Now this just goes to show that you guys are entirely too serious

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Thank you

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Everybody was so angry and and I said I don't know what to tell you, you know, it's it's over

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Mocked everybody you gotta understand. Yeah, you understand that when it's your own state's governor that's coming out and with a fake alien on

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Yeah

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That totally discredited that totally discredits anything that anybody saw we weren't trying to ridicule people's concerns

470
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:56,120
But there was that element of building hysteria which really needed to be dealt with I was 12. So imagine that age too is

471
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:01,080
I saw I saw UFO guys. I mean that's a different conversation near that age

472
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,440
All right, our own governor who many people supported at the time

473
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,720
Is going out mocking what I saw I kept to myself

474
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,840
I did and it was an absolutely stigma and I don't know why I don't know why it's there

475
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,840
But we're gonna not talk about this right now because clearly it's just a joke everybody

476
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:23,880
I'm sorry if it offended some people, but it was a lot of fun. There you go. This is your trophy and you give it to Joe

477
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,600
Okay, I'll see you all later. Thank you very much

478
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,880
When you're in a position of authority and you can't explain something to your constituents

479
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,920
It could panic people it could frighten people

480
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:47,800
So one of the tools in the toolbox when they're forced to talk about it is to ridicule it

481
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,760
It's a way of minimizing its significance. You know, these are little green men. Ha ha ha

482
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,120
That's the problem of the term UFO

483
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,840
It's sort of been contaminated

484
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,840
If the air force had nothing to hide

485
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:08,200
Frank Manor the michigan farmer who had brought in the first report was caught in the middle

486
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,280
He was mad. Are you sorry now that you did tell people what you saw? Yes, I am. I am. I'm sorry because

487
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Not that it's not the truth, but it's just the idea the reaction of the people. They think you're a

488
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,880
Nut tell you the truth. That's just what they figure you are

489
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Once project blue book shut down in 1970 the whole thing kind of went quiet

490
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:40,040
The conclusions of project blue book were no UFO reported has ever given any indication of threat to our national security

491
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:49,160
There is no evidence submitted that sightings represent technological developments beyond the range of present-day scientific knowledge

492
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:56,040
And there is no evidence indicating that these unidentified objects are extraterrestrial

493
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,000
That report that they produced was known infamously as the condom report

494
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Now, why is this important? Because they literally

495
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,760
Shot down the topic of UFOs said it was a waste of time and money

496
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,920
And said shut the investigations down. It's useless

497
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Think about the opportunities that were lost for taking it seriously and for investigating it

498
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,880
The air force says it doesn't investigate unknown objects anymore

499
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,560
Norad told you pnus 13 that it only tracks objects that originate in our atmosphere

500
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,320
The cia some other intelligence agency well if they're investigating we don't know about it and chances are we never go

501
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:43,560
The u.s. Government always maintained to me that they had no interest in ufo's

502
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:50,520
But back in 2008 I discovered in a united states air force manual and there was a whole section

503
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,080
About unidentified flying objects on not only how to report them

504
00:42:55,240 --> 00:43:01,160
But where to report them to and the two places that are not subject to the freedom of information act one being the white house

505
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,920
The second being the norad installation is on the receiving end of whatever these ufo reports are

506
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,080
And I tried to access the documents, but of course they said no, sorry

507
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,680
We're not subject to the freedom of information act how convenient that they send the ufo records to that one place

508
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,720
Believers have always maintained the government knows more than it claims about ufo's and doesn't always tell the truth

509
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,960
The latest government admissions can cede both points and do little if anything to settle the ufo debate

510
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:37,160
About the phoenix lights i'm extremely disappointed that nobody's taken this on

511
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:41,400
I think that the governor was interested in all of it

512
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,800
When you look at the press conference that he did you can see he was truly uncomfortable

513
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,880
And I think it was because he was not comfortable with that. I think he really did want to look into it

514
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,280
There is no way that he orchestrated that

515
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,320
And I said there's something else going on here

516
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,880
My speculation is a deal had to be made

517
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,240
We are now less than 12 hours away from governor simonton's criminal trial

518
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,000
The governor is on trial for 22 fraud counts

519
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:24,680
20 of those counts involve falsifying financial statements to federally insured banks

520
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:34,120
The trial was the culmination of seven and a half years of investigation of fife simonton's private life before becoming governor

521
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Then it morphed into

522
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,160
a criminal investigation

523
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,480
He had been in court

524
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:47,880
People that were in court watching this whole thing said he was called out to go into a private meeting

525
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,520
And then the next thing is this emergency press conference

526
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,160
So somebody else said

527
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:03,960
In my opinion, okay, not not fact, but my opinion if you make this a joke, we'll dismiss the charges

528
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,560
For instance, barb would say that she didn't think it was your idea

529
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,120
Yeah, I don't I wonder where that came from

530
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Well, if I understand your question correctly, you're

531
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,080
You're suggesting some people believe that we somehow did this in league with

532
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,040
Government authorities

533
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,680
Oh to mock the idea of those lights being

534
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Extraterrestrial that maybe there was pressure from the military or the government

535
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:37,640
No, there was no conspiracy behind it at all. No, we were we weren't trying to cover up anything

536
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,720
We were we were just trying to make light of it

537
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,520
He was serious that he was going to do an investigation and then it turned into a joke

538
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Somebody somewhere has got to be afraid of the truth coming out

539
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,520
That's it

540
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,280
And why?

541
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,080
Neither then or now do I have any

542
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,800
plausible

543
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,800
explanation more than anyone might

544
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,880
speculate about as to what those lights were I felt then as I do now that what really

545
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,360
caused a lot of the

546
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Hula-Baloo to use the governor's word and the speculation is that the only information provided by the authorities was implausible to

547
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Anybody who saw the the lights so I think government makes things worse when it

548
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:36,520
Operates that way and why they do that. I don't know. I don't know if it's just bureaucratic obtuseness or if it's some part of a

549
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,440
larger attempt to deflect attention from things that are meant to remain secret

550
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,840
My best guess at it was it was some sort of high altitude stealth technology that we didn't want known

551
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960
You and I'll always disagree on this

552
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:03,160
But there was no way that that was a b2 a b2 bomber or a stealth bomber. This object was big and close

553
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,940
And you think it was a single object for sure. Yeah. Yeah

554
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:34,360
There's no way that something like that's man-made that we know of now, I don't know if it could have been extraterrestrial whatever

555
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,200
Regardless it is what it is. We saw what we saw was giant

556
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,960
quiet

557
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,320
moved

558
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,320
extremely fast and

559
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Was amazing

560
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:50,440
There's a creation of discourse around these events

561
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:58,280
Pop culture today is going to represent these ufo events for want of a better word

562
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,280
As something quite different than how the people experience them

563
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,320
Wow, look at this. There are these two things. Really?

564
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Remember I'm a historian of Catholicism

565
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:16,760
So in the 1980s, Pope John Paul II wrote a very interesting teaching on the angels to his bishops

566
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,520
It's called the catechesis on the angels and he basically says these are invisible beings

567
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:30,040
And people don't believe in them anymore and they even denied to them during Jesus's time Jesus's era

568
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,920
He said but they exist and he said and they intervene in human history

569
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:44,440
He was kind of re-inscribing this idea that what we see today is not what we think we're seeing

570
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,840
Our perceptions see objects, but what are really there?

571
00:48:50,840 --> 00:49:06,120
We're coming upon a new way of understanding the transcendent and it's no longer an angel

572
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:16,920
What would it mean for our humanity for us to discover that in fact there are other sentient beings that are capable of traveling here

573
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:27,800
The things that we think are important in the midst of the ongoing pandemic or the uprising for racial justice

574
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:38,200
In the specter of being visited by those from another planet our own divisions would suddenly feel so much smaller

575
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Would feel less insurmountable one would hope

576
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,200
I don't know what that would look like

577
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:55,480
But I do know that it would be the biggest change that we ever witnessed any of us in the way that human beings saw themselves and saw each other

578
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,760
I was a top-down graduate senior air controller at 18 years c time

579
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:20,600
We were going to do a big huge air defense exercise a mock air battle for training purposes

580
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,520
This encounter profoundly affected me

581
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,960
So many people saw us oh, yeah the entire crew was talking about it you bet

582
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Oh my gosh, dude

583
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,440
They certainly didn't behave like anything from this earth

584
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,640
I'm pretty convinced they had to be quantum based

585
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,600
If that's true, then

586
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,840
What are the possibilities? It's a pretty short list, isn't it? What's on that list?

587
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,720
Aliens

588
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,440
So

589
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,440
You